Mommy Dom Audio: Mommy ASMR, Good Boys and the Caretaking Frame
Mommy dom audio is the one dominant frame where the power is exercised through care instead of through control. Every other dominant family on this site proves its authority by withholding something: the order that will not be repeated, the release that is delayed, the pain that is measured out, the ownership that is asserted. This one proves it by providing. Attention, permission, praise, the removal of every obligation except the one small thing you are being asked to do, which is to let somebody look after you.
That inversion is the whole genre, and it is why the frame is so much easier to fall into than to describe. The content is enormous and growing, the vocabulary people actually search with is tiny, and almost nobody has written the guide. This page is the guide.
The short version, if you only read one paragraph:
Mommy dom audio is the caretaking frame, the one place in erotic audio where being good and being wanted are the same event. It works in sound and not on camera because the entire act is a voice and a decision: the lower register, the name, the permission, the praise, the check-in, the settle. There is nothing to watch and that is not a limitation, it is the reason the format is perfect for a frame whose payload is being looked after. A camera can shoot care as an action between two other people. A voice can make care happen to you.
Everything below is the long version.
The three things answering to "mommy asmr"
Almost every disappointment with this search comes from landing in the wrong one of three categories. The words are shared. The products are not.
1. The family ASMR that is not sexual at all. A large share of the word "mommy" in ASMR is literally a mother's voice used for comfort, sleep or anxiety relief: soft lullabies, bedtime stories, "close your eyes, I am right here". This is a real and genuinely useful format and it is not this one. It is mentioned first because it is the version that owns the search, and it is why so many people arrive at mommy dom audio expecting to be talked down to and find something gentler than they were braced for.
2. The regression and humiliation arm. A second cluster uses the same words as degradation: forced regression, "baby", diaper and age-play framing played for embarrassment, the "mommy" as someone humiliating you rather than looking after you. This is a legitimate kink with its own audience and it is not this one either. Its charge is shame. The caretaking frame's charge is the opposite.
3. Erotic audio where the caretaking is the scene. One performer, a microphone, and a script in which the dominance and the care are the same gesture. The voice lowers instead of rising. The praise is specific instead of generic. The permission runs the other way, so the powerful one is the one asking. The "good boy" is not a joke at your expense, it is a name you are being given. This is what is on the other side of the door, and it is the least searchable family on the site.
The tell between them is the same tell that separates good and bad work in every family here. Category one talks to a child. Category two talks down to you. Category three talks to you as somebody good, who is about to be taken care of, and who has already agreed.
Five structural reasons sound wins this frame
This is not the general "audio is more intimate" argument. For this frame there are five concrete reasons the sound version is not the compromise.
1. The whole act is a voice and a pair of hands, and a lens cannot hold either. The content of a mommy dom track is a tone of voice and a decision about how to use it. There is no position to stage and no body to frame. A camera filming care has to invent an event to point at, which is why video versions of this frame almost always collapse into a plot: the nurse, the stepmother, the friend's mother, the scenario that gives the camera something to do. Audio does not need a scenario, because the tone is the event. That is why the best tracks in this family are structurally quieter than anything in the visual genre.
2. Praise is a sentence, and sentences are audio. Strip the frame down and the mechanism is a short spoken line: good boy, you did so well, I am proud of you, you can let go now. In video that line is dialogue between two other people on screen. In audio the line is addressed to you and lands on you, and the whole family turns on that single grammatical difference. A track that says "good boy" to a character is a scene. A track that says it to you is the thing you came for.
3. The name is the mechanism, and names live in sound. "Good boy" is a kink object in a way almost nothing else in the genre is. It is not an instruction and it is not a description; it is an identity being handed over, and it only works when you can hear it and hear how it is meant. The same two words are a reward from somebody soft and a knife from somebody mocking, and the difference is entirely in the delivery. No other frame depends this heavily on how one phrase is said, which is the definition of an audio-native kink.
4. The interesting tension is a gradient between comfort and arousal, and a gradient has no shot. The specific heat of this family is the slide from being soothed into being wanted, and back, sometimes several times inside one track. It is a movement between two temperatures, and a microphone records it as breath slowing or quickening, as a voice dropping or opening. A camera records it as two people on a sofa and cannot show you the slide at all. This is why so many listeners describe the family as "cozy and filthy at the same time" and cannot explain what that means.
5. Your own body does the responding, and it needs no representation. A mommy dom track does not show you anyone being cared for. It makes you be cared for, which means the loosening shoulders, the slowed breath, the willingness to be good, are all happening in your body and none of them are visible. The medium has nothing to show and spends its whole budget on making you feel looked after. That is exactly what the frame is for.
An audible vocabulary of being looked after
The craft in this family is small and specific. Here are the elements, roughly in the order they arrive, and what each one is doing.
The lowered register before anything is said. The best tracks do not open with a command. They open with a voice that has already decided to be soft, often lower and slower than the track will stay. This is doing real work: it sets the temperature of the whole scene before a single demand is made, and it is the first thing to disappear in lazy work. If the performer comes in bright and chatty, the room is wrong and it never recovers.
The name. The single most reliable quality signal in this family, and the same structural signal that runs through every guide on this site. Good boy, sweetheart, baby, my love. Watch for when it lands. A name given early is an offer. A name given after you have been good is a reward, and the delay is usually deliberate and usually the point. A track that uses the name as punctuation, sprayed across every sentence, has not understood that this word is the whole kink and should be spent carefully.
The praise that is earned rather than dispensed. The difference between a good track and a lazy one is almost always in this one element. Earned praise is specific: you held still, you told me the truth, you waited like I asked. Dispensed praise is a mood: you are so good, so good, good boy, on a loop. The first one is about something you actually did. The second is a vibe, and vibes do not land, because the whole reason praise works is that it is evidence that the performer was paying attention to you in particular.
The permission that runs the wrong way. This is the inversion that defines the frame. In ordinary femdom the submissive asks permission and the dominant grants it. Here the powerful one asks: may I. Do you want this. Will you let me. The "good boy" in a mommy dom track is usually somebody who has just been asked, gently, whether they are allowed to want what they want. That reversal is not a formality bolted on for consent reasons, it is the load-bearing structure of the kink, and it is the single clearest marker between caretaking and condescension.
The check-in. Care with attention under it, and, as in the massage family, one of the few places in erotic audio where a check-in is doing erotic work rather than compliance work. Are you still with me. Was that too much. How do you feel. A mommy dom track with a real check-in is a track that is watching you, and being watched by somebody kind is the actual fantasy. A track with no check-in anywhere is a track that is performing care at you.
The "you do not have to". The removal of obligation, in one line or several. You do not have to be anything tonight. You do not have to want it. You do not have to finish. For a listener carrying a day, this is the line that does the most work, because it is the exact opposite of what a dominant is supposed to say and the reason the frame exists. The power here is exercised by letting you off the hook, and a track that never does this has missed the register entirely.
The instruction as an act of care. Drink some water. Breathe with me. Lie still. Put your hand where I tell you. This is the softest possible version of obedience and it is where the dominance actually lives in this family: not in a demand that costs you something, but in a small direction delivered by someone who fully intends to look after you while you follow it. The instruction and the care are the same sentence, and that is the whole trick.
The possession without a threat. Mine, in this frame, is not a claim and not a branding. It is closer to a lullaby: you are mine to take care of, you belong somewhere safe, nobody is taking you anywhere. The word looks identical to the possessive family's central word and points in the opposite emotional direction. If the "mine" in a track makes you brace, you are listening to a possessive track in a soft disguise. If it makes you settle, you are in the right family.
The settle. The same landing test used across the rest of this site, and here it is the whole point rather than the exit. After the scene there should be weight: the voice still there, the breathing going even, somebody not leaving because leaving would end it. A mommy dom track with no settle is a track that showed up, performed care and hung up. A track with a settle is the frame working, because the entire promise of the family is that somebody stays. The landing is not the bonus. In this frame the landing is the product.
How to read the tags on this site
Tags here are a five-band system. Read all five, in this order, and never let one band do the work of another.
Band one: the gender code. F4M, M4F, F4F, F4TF, and the any-listener variants. This is the first thing you filter and it is not optional. It matters in this family more than most, because who is doing the looking after is the entire premise, and an F4M mommy track and an M4F caretaking track are genuinely different scenes rather than the same scene with a swapped voice.
Band two: the caretaking tag. mommy, good-boy, good-girl, gentle-femdom, mdlb, listener-sub, msub. This tells you what the caretaking is made of. It says nothing about whether the track is any good, and in this family the caretaking tag is genuinely rare, so it is a filter and not a door.
Band three: the frame. This is the band everyone skips and it decides everything. The identical soft voice is a completely different track depending on what holds it:
- Under femdom it is authority choosing to be kind, which makes the kindness a gift from above.
- Under soft-spoken it is a register, and the power is in the quiet rather than in an exchange.
- Under comfort it is care with no agenda, which is the version for a bad day rather than a scene.
- Under aftercare it is the landing after something harder, and the caretaking is repair.
- Under tender it is a feeling rather than a dynamic, two people being gentle because they mean it.
- Under slow-burn it is care that has been building and is only now being said.
- Under hypnosis or trance the caretaking is the mechanism of the drop, and the good boy is being taken down on purpose.
Same voice, seven tracks.
Band four: the intensity and delivery. dominant-speaker, submissive-speaker, gentle, obedience, service. This band tells you how hard the direction is pushed and whether the voice is doing it from above or from beside you. Most disappointed listeners in this family are in the wrong band here, not the wrong tag.
Band five: the care. aftercare, consent-forward, check-in, reassurance, wholesome, cozy. A caretaking track with a care tag is a track that knows what it is doing. In this family that is almost redundant, because the care is the content, but the tags still separate the tracks that understand the frame from the tracks that are simply quiet.
The supply, measured honestly
Here is the honest number, and here is the correction to the belief almost everyone carries about this family.
The caretaking tags are genuinely thin if you only count the obvious words. On the site right now, good-boy carries about ten published tracks, good-girl six, gentle-femdom eleven, care four, devotion five, wholesome three, cozy three, and mommy exactly one. If that were the whole story, the family would be one of the smallest on the site, which is absurd, because it is one of the largest tastes in the genre.
It is not the whole story. The caretaking in this family is almost never tagged as caretaking. It is tagged as the register or the situation it happens inside, and those tags are large: aftercare seventy-four published tracks, praise sixty-four, femdom sixty, soft-spoken fifty-nine, consent-forward fifty-three, dominant-speaker forty-nine, tender thirty-six, comfort thirty-one, gentle thirty, obedience nineteen, service eighteen, listener-sub eleven, msub eleven, check-in nine, reassurance seven. That is the same inversion documented across every thin-act family on this blog, and it is the reason this guide exists: the register band carries the supply, and the caretaking word is mostly a label.
There is a second correction worth making, because it is the one that misleads people fastest. A hub's page count is not a supply number and neither is its anchor count. The mommy hub renders eighty-four pages of results and holds exactly one playable own-audio track. The good-boy hub renders a hundred and twenty-one pages and holds ten. The praise hub renders two hundred and sixty-seven pages and holds sixty-four. Most of that surface is community-forum references, not audio. And in the other direction, every hub on the site renders a capped two dozen own-audio anchors regardless of whether its pool is one or four hundred, so a hub with a full page of results is telling you about reachability, never about how much audio exists. The pool size comes from the library. The hub tells you what you can get to.
Six flavours, with real tracks
This is the part that matters, because the family sounds like a mood until you hear the shapes it actually comes in. Every track named here is live on the site.
1. The mommy track proper. The clearest single anchor in the whole family is Mommy's Good Boy Gets His Reward, which is almost a thesis for the frame: the caretaking and the orgasm control are the same gesture, and the reward structure is entirely verbal. Hear it first if you want to know what the family is before you hear anything else. The mommy kink appears again, folded into a hypnosis scene, in Pendulum After Dark, which is worth hearing to feel how naturally the frame sits inside a drop.
2. The permission track, where the good boy is asked rather than told. The cleanest versions are Good Boy, You Ask Permission Before You Finish Tonight and Her Voice Trains Her Good Boy To Wait For Permission, both of which carry their entire negotiation in the tags and both of which run the permission the wrong way, which is exactly the point. If the frame is new to you and you are worried it will feel like being talked down to, start here instead: the dominance in these tracks is entirely in the asking.
3. The caretaker who holds you through it. The softest arm, and the one most people actually mean. The Calm Before Dawn is the purest version, a caretaker holding you through a night with no agenda at all. The nurse cluster is the same shape with a scenario around it: Night Nurse Takes Extra Good Care Of You In The Hospital, The Nurse Takes Very Good Care Of You and Your Curvy Nurse Takes VERY Good Care Of You. These are the tracks to reach for on a night when you want the caretaking without the kink machinery attached.
4. The domestic and forbidden-mother frame. Here the caretaking sits inside a relationship that is not supposed to be one, which is where a lot of the family's charge actually lives. Stepmom Comforts You After A Breakup On The Couch and Your Stepmom Comforts You After A Bad Breakup are the comforting end, and Your Best Friends Mom Seduces You At The BBQ is the same tension turned overt. If the plain version feels too soft and the extreme end feels wrong, this middle band is usually the answer, and these are the tracks people mean when they say the family caught them off guard.
5. The mommy inside a drop. The hypnosis and sleep arm, where the caretaking is the delivery system rather than the scene. The Sleep Coach Rewards Her Good Boy For Obeying Every Command, The Hypnotist Who Counts You Down To Sleep, Her Voice Keeps You Under and Down, Deeper, Gone are the set. This is the crossover that pulls the largest audience in the genre, because it is the one place where a listener who came for sleep and a listener who came for the kink are being served by the same track.
6. The good-boy inside a power reversal. Where the caretaking tags ride on top of a scene that is more overtly dominant. The Assistant Takes Control and Counselor, You're Off the Clock are the workplace versions, and Your Bratty Rival Loses The Bet is the enemies-to-lovers version. Hear these if you liked the frame but wanted the dominance turned up without losing the praise.
And an unofficial seventh: the track whose tags never advertised the caretaking at all. This is where a surprising amount of the best material sits. A soft-spoken hypnosis piece, a comfort audio, a slow-burn romance where somebody decides to look after you in the last five minutes and never uses the word. The word people arrive with is not the word the content is filed under, and in this family the gap is wider than anywhere else on the site, because the content is filed by register rather than by kink.
A five-point test for telling good mommy dom audio from lazy work
Most of this family is good or bad for the same five reasons. You can run the whole list inside the first ten minutes.
1. Does the voice lower before it asks for anything? The register is set before the first demand. If the performer comes in bright and starts directing you immediately, the room never warms up and the caretaking has nowhere to land.
2. Is the praise specific to you, or is it a loop? Earned praise names something you did. Lazy praise repeats "good boy" until it means nothing. Specificity is the difference between being noticed and being flattered, and it is the first thing to check.
3. Is there a permission or a check-in anywhere? In this family the asking is not a formality, it is the mechanism. A caretaking track with no asking and no check-in is a track performing care at you rather than doing it with you.
4. Does it stay soft when it could go hard? The temptation in this frame, as in every soft frame, is to escalate for a payoff. The tracks that land resist it. If the voice that was looking after you gets loud and driving at the end, you are listening to a femdom track wearing the caretaking register as a costume.
5. Does it settle, and does anything stay? After the scene, is the voice still there, is the breathing even, is somebody still not leaving. In this family the settle is not the exit. It is the thing you came for, and a track that skips it has skipped the whole point.
Why the search engines keep sending you to the wrong thing
This family has a demand that is bigger and louder than almost anything else on the site, and for once that demand is already expressed in audio-native words, which is the same gift the possessive family handed us and almost no other family does.
Type "mommy asmr" and the first page is real audio, not a wellness explainer and not a dictionary entry. It is a YouTube video, a Spotify playlist, a Reddit thread on r/asmr, a SoundCloud page, an Instagram creator, a second YouTube channel. Not one of the results is a couples-therapy article and not one is a retailer, which is remarkable in this niche where the head term almost always resolves to a platform that cannot deliver the product. "Mommy dom" and "mommy domme" and "mdlb" are the same: the searcher already knows the genre and is asking for it by name, and the volume is enormous. "Mommy asmr" alone runs at roughly forty-nine thousand five hundred searches a month at effectively zero keyword difficulty, up from around twenty-two thousand a year earlier, and "mommy dom" and "mommy domme" add several thousand more each at the same near-zero difficulty. This is the largest uncovered, low-competition demand the blog has found.
The wrong-product surface is smaller here than usual, which is why the opportunity is real rather than theoretical. It is the non-sexual family ASMR that happens to share the word, and the regression-and-humiliation arm that borrows it for a different charge. Neither is a competitor for the erotic caretaking version; they are simply what the word mostly means until you add the frame. So the fix is not a different word, it is a second word. Search "mommy asmr" and you find the register. Search "mommy dom" or "gentle femdom" or "good boy" and you find the frame.
Here is the method that works, in six steps, and it is the same method as everywhere on this site because the site has one method:
- Start from the hub, not the search bar. Go to good-boy or gentle-femdom and read what is there.
- Add exactly one register tag, not three. soft-spoken or comfort or praise. Stacking tags narrows you to nothing.
- Confirm the gender code. F4M and M4F caretaking tracks are genuinely different scenes, not the same scene with a swapped voice.
- Read the description before the title. The title is the hook. The description tells you whether the track is about being looked after or about being humiliated in a soft voice, and those two things are opposites.
- Treat the care tags as a quality filter, not a warning label. A track tagged check-in or reassurance is a track that is watching you, which in this family is the whole fantasy.
- Use the charts as anti-spam. The popular tracks in this family are popular because they land, and the ranking is not fooled by a title.
The plain truth underneath all six steps: the word people arrive with is not the word the content is filed under. Here it is worse than usual, because the family is filed by register rather than by kink, and because the single most searchable word for it is also the single most misused one.
Listening to it properly
Two practical notes and then the one rule that is specific to this family.
Wear headphones, and quieter than instinct. This family is built on the smallest sounds in the whole genre: a breath, a swallow, the room going quiet when somebody stops talking, a voice dropping so far it is nearly a whisper. Volume flattens all of it and turns caretaking into narration. The name is usually the quietest line in the track and you will miss it if you listen the way you listen to music.
Give it the full length. The build is the product. A caretaking track that gets to the payoff in the first five minutes has skipped the only part you came for, which is the gradual loosening of a person who is being looked after. Tracks under fifteen minutes in this family are almost always a scene with a soft opening rather than a caretaking track.
And the rule specific to this cluster: do not chase the humiliating end. The instinct when you enter this family is to search for the hardest version, the forced regression, the mockery, the "you are such a baby". That is the wrong door, for the same reason it is the wrong door in every family here. The intensity is not where the quality is, and in this frame the humiliation end is not a stronger version of the caretaking end, it is a different kink pointed the opposite way. Start with something like The Calm Before Dawn, which is gentle the whole way through and lands harder than any of the loud tracks, and let the harder end of the family be a place you arrive at rather than a place you start.
A note on the care design, which is the mechanism here
This is the family where a consent note is not a formality, so here is the honest one.
The caretaking frame is a fantasy about being looked after without having to ask, and the thing that makes it safe to enjoy is that the good boy in the audio has already agreed to be looked after. The good tracks know this and build it in. The permission that runs the wrong way, the check-in, the "you do not have to", the settle afterward: those are not interruptions of the scene, they are the proof that the person doing the looking after is paying attention to you rather than working a script at you. In this family the care and the consent are the same gesture, which is why the tracks that skip the asking feel wrong even when everything else is right.
The line to hold is the one that separates this frame from the humiliation arm, and it is audible. Caretaking points at you and says: you are good, let me take care of you. Condescension points at you and says: you are small and I am laughing. The words can be close and the direction is opposite. If a track makes you feel looked after, it is the family. If it makes you feel lesser, it is a different one wearing the same vocabulary, and you are allowed to close it.
In real life none of this is a model for anything, and this guide assumes you already know that. In the audio, the good boy is somebody who gets to put the day down, and the entire craft of the family is in making that feel like the safest thing in the room rather than the smallest.
What this family sits next to
To the mommy starter guide. If you are completely new to the family and want the short on-ramp before the deep one, the earlier mommy audio guide is the gentler starting point. This page is the longer version of the same map, and the two are meant to be read together: that one is what the genre is, this one is how to tell the good tracks from the rest.
To gentle femdom and the praise band. If what you liked was the dominance expressed as kindness. femdom audio, praise kink audio, msub audio, obedience, service.
To aftercare and the landing band. If what you liked was the being-taken-care-of rather than the kink, which for most people is the real answer. aftercare audio, cuddling audio, comfort, tender.
To sleep, hypnosis and the drop. If what you liked was the voice taking you down gently. erotic hypnosis audio, erotic audio for sleep, hypnosis, trance, sleep-aid.
To massage and the bodywork frame. If what you liked was hands doing the caring. massage audio, care, gentle.
To pet play and the owner-and-pet frame. If what you liked was being claimed gently and praised for obeying. pet play audio, pet-play, good-boy.
To the possessive family. If what you liked was the being-wanted, but you want it without the threat. possessive audio, slow-burn, romance, intimate.
To the voice itself. If what you liked was that a voice could make you feel looked after. voice kink audio, dirty talk audio, femdom, soft-spoken.
To the format itself. If you are new and want the ground rules. what is erotic audio, the tag system explained, how to listen.
Ten questions people actually ask
Is mommy dom audio the same as mommy asmr? It is the erotic end of what "mommy asmr" mostly points at. "Mommy asmr" as a search term is dominated by non-sexual comfort and sleep audio, a real mother voice used to calm you down. Mommy dom is the same register with the caretaking made erotic: the voice still soothes, but the soothing and the wanting are the same event. If you like the register and want the kink, add the frame words "mommy dom", "gentle femdom" or "good boy".
Why is "mommy asmr" so much bigger than every other term in this niche? Because it is a demand that is already expressed in audio-native words by an audience that knows exactly what it wants, which is rare. Most head terms in this genre resolve to a platform that cannot deliver the product. This one resolves to YouTube, Spotify and SoundCloud, which is to say, to people already listening. The demand is huge and the writing about it is close to nonexistent, which is the reason this page exists.
Why can I only find a handful of tracks when the tag shows dozens of pages? Because hub pages count community references, not playable audio. mommy renders eighty-four pages of results and holds a single own-audio track. Use the hub to find the tag, then use the catalogue and the charts to find the audio.
Is it weird that I want this? No, and the size of the demand is the evidence. The wish to be looked after without having to ask, and to be told you are good while you let it happen, is one of the most common wants in the genre, which is exactly why it is so under-named. The vocabulary is small, the audience is enormous, and almost nobody has written about it.
What is the difference between mommy dom and ordinary femdom? Same power direction, different proof. Ordinary femdom proves authority by taking, withholding, or commanding. Mommy dom proves it by providing: attention, permission, praise, the removal of obligation. Many listeners who bounce off hard femdom are not put off by the power at all, they are put off by the proof. If that is you, this family is the one you were missing.
Is the humiliation end of this family the strong end? No, and this is the most common mistake new listeners make. Humiliation and caretaking share a vocabulary and point in opposite directions. The tracks that land in this family are the ones that stay kind, and starting at the mockery end usually means closing the door before the frame has had a chance to work.
Does the gender code matter more or less here than in other families? More. Who is doing the looking after is the entire premise, so an F4M mommy track and an M4F caretaking track are genuinely different scenes rather than the same scene with a swapped voice. F4M and M4F here are worth filtering before anything else.
How long should a good one be? Twenty minutes minimum and forty is better. This is one of the slowest families on the site, because the caretaking has to have time to loosen you before it can do anything with the loosening. If it is under fifteen minutes it is usually a scene with a soft opening rather than a caretaking track.
Are the non-English tracks worth trying? Yes. The caretaking register survives translation better than almost any kink vocabulary does, because it is built on tone and pace rather than on wordplay. The German and Russian femdom sets here are unusually strong and unusually gentle, and this is one of the families where a translated track can land harder than one in your first language. The German and Russian catalogues are the place to start.
Where do I start if I only listen to one? Mommy's Good Boy Gets His Reward. It contains the whole argument of this page in one track: the caretaking and the control are the same gesture, the praise is earned, and it settles. If that track does nothing for you, the family is not for you. If it does, everything above is the map.
The one-paragraph version, again
Mommy dom audio is the caretaking frame, the one dominant family on this site where the power is exercised through care instead of through control. It works in sound because the entire act is a voice and a decision, because praise and the good-boy name are sentences rather than pictures, and because the tension in the family is a gradient between comfort and arousal that a microphone records and a camera cannot show. The supply is filed by register rather than by kink, which is why the caretaking tags look nearly empty and the soft-spoken, praise and aftercare tags are enormous, and why the hub beats the search bar every time. Start with good-boy or gentle-femdom, add exactly one register tag, read the description before the title, and listen for whether the voice lowers before it asks you for anything and whether there is a check-in after. That lower register and that check-in are the whole family in miniature. If they are there, stay.